In this episode, John Carroll and Gregg Benefiel engage with Judge David Duggan to explore the role of lay leadership within local churches. They discuss the responsibilities of lay leaders, the importance of collaboration among them, and the tensions that can arise between lay leadership and clergy. The conversation emphasizes the need for community building, innovative outreach strategies, and the transformation of Christian education into more accountable discipleship forms. The episode concludes with rapid-fire questions that reveal personal insights from Judge Duggan.

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