Dive into the common struggle founders face with burnout and the inability to truly relax. Ryan and Will  share their personal experiences and discuss how traditional relaxation methods often fail for them. Instead, they highlight the importance of finding other meaningful and challenging obsessions outside of work to channel their energy. From woodworking and home-building to martial arts, they explore how these activities can provide a sense of accomplishment, progression, and actual mental rest, ultimately making them better and more effective in their startup journeys. Tune in to gain insights on how to recharge as a founder by embracing big, consuming projects that challenge and fulfill you.Resources:Startup Therapy Podcast https://www.startups.com/community/startup-therapyWebsitehttps://www.startups.com/beginLinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/company/startups-co/Join our Network of Top Founders Wil Schroterhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/wilschroter/Ryan Rutanhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/ryan-rutan/What to listen for:00:44 The Struggle with Relaxation01:36 Failed Attempts at Relaxation03:32 Vacation Dilemmas05:52 The Need for Mental Engagement09:47 The Importance of Completion14:07 Finding New Problems to Solve22:10 Woodworking as a Solution24:13 The Obsession Begins: From Birdhouses to Building a House24:48 The Challenge of Building a House from Scratch25:35 Balancing Work and Passion Projects26:31 The Importance of Completion and Physical Activity27:53 Managing Overwhelm and Finding Solutions29:14 The Power of Small, Consistent Efforts30:22 The Role of Meaningful Side Projects33:17 The Need for Mental and Physical Challenges36:21 The Value of Overwhelming Projects

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