In this conversation, Jay Seegert and Dr. Carl Werner discuss the evidence against Darwinian evolution and naturalism, presenting a series of arguments and findings that challenge the validity of evolutionary theory. They explore the collapse of key evidence such as walking whales, the evolution of birds from dinosaurs, and the concept of ape men, emphasizing the lack of credible fossil evidence and the prevalence of fraud in the field. The discussion highlights the importance of critical thinking and personal investigation in understanding the origins of life and the universe.

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