Tom talks about the problems with "legalese" and the rise of the plain language legal writing movement, before interviewing Cheryl Stephens, the founder of Plain Language Association International (PLAIN). Together they discuss ways to simplify legal language, the importance of plain language drafting and learn some new Scrabble words.If you have any feedback you would like to share with the hosts, please send us an email at [email protected]: Cheryl StephensHosting and editing: Tom NdekeziOutro Music: Machinery by EddySound Effects: Kevin MacLeodTheme Song: Logan AitkenTim Sandle, “Report finds only 1 percent reads ‘Terms & Conditions’”, (29 January 2020), online: www.digitaljournal.com < https://www.digitaljournal.com/business/report-finds-only-1-percent-reads-terms-conditions/article/566127#ixzz7upD4UOAX>.We respectfully acknowledge the Lekwungen peoples on whose traditional territory the University of Victoria stands and the Songhees, Esquimalt and WSÁNEĆ peoples whose historical relationships with the land continue to this day.

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