Fr. Matthew Young talks with Battalion Chief Joe Bowman of the Covington Kentucky Fire Department.  We talk about how he pursued fire engines as a kid on his big wheel, growing up without a positive father figure, serving in Iraq in the US Army, leadership, carrying around pain, the toughest Fire and EMS runs, the changing landscape of the fire service, and images you cannot forget.  We make some spiritual connection with the teachings of Jesus, messy human family situations, finding strength in weakness, seeing a larger human family, and finding hope in the world. 

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