Charlie Lewis is joined by guest-host Rachel Withers (The Monthly) covering for Jess Lilley.  They're joined by special guest Kishor Napier-Raman, CBD columnist for the Sydney Morning Herald and The Age who covers Australia's most influential political and business figures, about what a "gossip column" really means, what it can tell you that straight news can't, and having a job that has powerful people yelling at you more than most. Plus, the pair survey the wreckage of the Twitter files, and get into the weeds of Peter Dutton's media strategy when it comes to opposing the Indigenous Voice to Parliament.

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