In this episode of Soil, Shadow, and Spirit, Nikki Silvestri sits down with Shirley Johnson for a profound conversation on codependency, leadership, and the essential act of being. Together, they explore the pressures Black women face in leadership, how over-functioning leads to burnout, and the importance of integrating presence and self-care into their roles.In this episode, you’ll hear:A clear definition of codependency and its impact on leadership.Why presence is a radical and powerful leadership tool.Personal stories on how Black women navigate self-care and community leadership.How land and nature offer healing and grounding for Black women leaders.Tune in to explore how Black women can lead through presence and reclaim their full selves in the process.Links of Note:Soil, Shadow, and Spirit Retreat SeriesSoulistic WellnessSeries Executive Producers: Kalliopeia Foundation and Soil and ShadowSound Engineering: Sonya HarrisMusic: Galen SilvestriHost: Nikki SilvestriSpecial Thanks: Shirley Johnson and Noni Limar

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