In this special Smoke and Mirrors extra, host Kayla Pincus sits down with WOVU 95.9 FM’s Trey Modlin for an in-depth interview about her journey, the inspiration behind the show, and her work in police accountability. They discuss Kayla’s international experiences, her unexpected path into local reform, and the philosophy behind Smoke and Mirrors. The conversation highlights the need to strengthen the Community Police Commission’s foundation, the racial polarization of police reform work, and the impact of the newly overhauled corrective action and discipline policy she co-authored. Kayla shares her perspective on the challenges and opportunities in this work, emphasizing that making meaningful change starts with understanding the systems we hope to improve.

Recorded and aired at 8am Feb. 5, 2025, on WOVU 95.9 FM.

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