In this episode of Semaphore Uncut, I talk with Dave Thomas, author of The Pragmatic Programmer, and many other well-known software engineering books. We discuss how software engineering has changed over many decades and how Dave's experiences have informed his attitudes to testing.Key takeaways:Software is both abstract and changes the real worldComputer science undergrads need more industrial experienceTreat software testing as a tool, not a religionUse experience and judgement to choose when not to write testsTest maintenance is part of the ebb and flow of developmentModern software is loosely coupled and ephemeralThe Internet of Things is transforming software architectureThe IoT opens a new frontier for integration testingAbout Semaphore UncutIn each episode of Semaphore Uncut, we invite software industry professionals to discuss the impact they are making and what excites them about the emerging technologies.

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