Jo’s joined by former GOP Rep-turned-Dem Joe Walsh for a conversation about everything from the endless social media attention wars to Gavin Newsom’s headline-grabbing comms game and the sky-high stakes for democracy. Jo and Joe break down the difference between fighting and flailing and why unity beats purity testing every damn time.They tackle exactly what’s making headlines: toxic tribalism, party infighting, and why old-guard media like Joe Scarborough and the “polite center” are missing the point when it comes to how Democrats need to meet the moment (looking at you, Joe! Stop clutching your pearls about Newsom’s style and pay attention to what actually fires people up).

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