Nuance, listening, patience, dialogue. These things seem missing as we analyze our problems in America! We get to speak with a former police officer and current pastor, Tim Barkett, to hear his take from the perspective of those who serve. Great interview. Topics: 1. What a difference 20 years makes... reflections on the progress of the Police force 2. "Us against Them" mentality: systemic and personal challenges 3. Riots and know your neighbors Guest: Rev. Tim Barkett: Pastor of Christ the King Lutheran Church and former police officer in San Diego, CA Thank you: 1517.org proud member of the 1517 Podcast Network and thejaggedword.com Music: Joel A. Hess - Shanghai, Willing Virginia, on Spotify, iTunes, SoundCloud Dead Horse One - I love my man

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