In this grounded, hope-filled conversation, Kai sits down with worship leader Micah Miller (San Carlos Apache) to talk about worship beyond performance—worship as presence. Micah shares a vulnerable moment after leading a service when he realized he'd made the crowd his “audience.” That shift—“Jesus is the audience”—reframed everything. Together they trace how worship can carry us through grief, why Scripture shapes our posture (see 1 Samuel 16:23), and how to navigate insecurity, comparison, and the pressure to “put on a show.” Expect honest stories, a little rez humor (yes, the mic-check chaos), and practical encouragement for musicians and non-musicians alike. If you've wondered how to worship when you're hurting—or how to keep your heart right on stage—this one's for you.

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