SummaryIn this conversation, Ben Sims interviews Rick McGinnis, the lead pastor at Hope Church, who shares his journey from a secular career to church leadership. He discusses the importance of community engagement, the seeker-sensitive church movement, and the challenges of church planting and merging congregations. The conversation delves into the theme of anger as addressed in the Sermon on the Mount, emphasizing personal responsibility and the need for maturity in handling emotions. Rick reflects on his experiences and the lessons learned throughout his ministry, highlighting the significance of understanding one's identity in Christ beyond worldly affiliations. In this conversation, Ben Sims explores the complexities of anger, sadness, and the process of healing through lament and forgiveness. He discusses the cultural expectations surrounding masculinity and emotional expression, the challenges of navigating anger towards God, and the importance of stillness and reflection in spiritual growth. The conversation emphasizes the need for tools and practices that facilitate emotional health and deeper understanding of oneself and one's relationship with God.Chapters00:00 Introduction to Rick McGinnis and His Journey09:54 Transitioning to Church Planting and Merging Churches10:40 The Seeker Sensitive Church Movement14:48 Exploring Anger in the Sermon on the Mount24:09 Responsibility in Handling Anger30:45 Understanding Anger and Sadness34:09 Navigating Anger Towards God37:56 The Process of Lament and Healing40:49 The Importance of Stillness and Reflection52:52 Tools for Forgiveness and Understanding

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