In episode 20, I speak with esteemed feminist holocaust scholar, Janet Jacobs, about her work on holocaust memorialization and intergenerational trauma. We discuss Janet’s work on women in cults and on the crypto-Jews. We then dig into her books on the holocaust, one of which was recently banned from the US Naval Academy library by the Trump administration, and we get into the larger issue of weaponizing “antisemitism” in this moment. Janet explores the ethical and psychological challenges of writing about and representing atrocities. How do we avoid re-objectifying victims when we represent or study them? What does it do to us individually and collectivity to engage these histories? How do future generations carry the fear, trauma, and even hate that stem from genocide? What does Frantz Fanon teach us and about how victim-groups can become perpetrators, such as in Israel/Palestine now? We end with both the value and complexity of holocaust memorialization in our moment, and we affirm the necessity of continuing to teach genocide in our classrooms—Books and other texts mentioned or discussed Janet Jacobs, Hidden Heritage: The Legacy of the Crypto-JewsJanet Jacobs, Victimized Daughters: Incest and the Development of the Female SelfJanet Jacobs, Memorializing the Holocaust: Gender, Genocide, and Collective MemoryJanet Jacobs, The Holocaust Across Generations: Trauma and its Inheritance Among Descendants of SurvivorsTaffy Brodesser-Akner, “The Holocaust Story I Said I Wouldn’t Write” NYT, April 6, 2025Marianne Hirsch, The Generation of Postmemory: Writing and Visual Culture After the HolocaustSaidiya Hartman, Scenes of Subjection: Terror, Slavery, and Self-Making in Nineteenth-Century AmericaFrantz Fanon, Black Skin, White MasksMusic by Ben Roberts: [email protected] and ideas to [email protected]

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