In this episode, we talk with Carlo Alexander Schreurs, CISO of FrieslandCampina, about his journey of reinvention after surgery and his transition into a transformational CISO role. He advocates for moving from rigid "zero trust" to a more flexible "adaptive trust" model, better suited to digital transformation. Carlo emphasizes cultural shifts in cybersecurity, highlighting storytelling, collaboration, and psychological safety to build trust and resilience. He also stresses integrating cybersecurity with business goals, going beyond compliance to drive innovation. The episode wraps up with practical advice for CISOs on staying agile in a fast-changing landscape.Chapters:00:00 - 03:14 Introduction of the episode03:15 - 06:26 Carlo reinventing himself 06:27 - 09:36 Reimagining Traditional Security09:37 - 14:16 The Drama Triangle vs. The Winner's Triangle 14:16 - 17:41 From Zero Trust to Digital/Adaptive Trust 17:42 - 23:00 The Role of Trust and Loyalty 23:01 - 26:15 The CISO as Storyteller 26:16 - 32:55 Shifting from Risk Avoidance to Value Creation 32:56 - 43:45 Human Factors and Behavioral Insights 43:46 - 45:44 Reframing Cyber Security 45:45 - 55:34 Compliance Theater 55: 35 - 58:03 Practical Steps for Agile and Adaptable Programs58:04 - 1:02:56 Key takeaways Jeroen & IrfaanResourcesDrama triangle to winner triangle:article 1: Life threw a curveball at me - on human-centric transformationsarticle 2: Beating the drama in Cybersecurity and Technology teams: uncovering hidden dynamics that drain energy and prohibit growtharticle 3: Beating the drama in cybersecurity and IT: How to shift from drama triangle to TED and build a thriving teamarticle 4: Cybersecurity Transformation: The Power of Human-Centered Leadership Storytelling: The Hidden Skill Every CISO or CIO Needs, But Few Use (On storytelling)Other source: The Cyber Samurai—Forging a Black Belt in the Digital DojoConnect with Carlo: https://www.linkedin.com/in/schreursc/Subscribe to this channel to find all new episodes:https://youtube.com/@reinventsecurity?feature=sharedFOLLOW ►Jeroen PrinseLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jprinse/Irfaan Santoe:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/irfaansantoe/ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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