In this episode, Rob Aragao welcomes back cybersecurity expert and author Michael Echols to unpack the urgent realities behind his new book, AI Chaos.Michael explains how AI is rapidly entering operational technology (OT) systems—the infrastructure that runs our power grids, water systems, transportation, satellites, and more. But with this transformation comes a critical problem: leaders don’t truly understand where AI is operating, how it behaves, or how to control it.Together, Rob and Michael explore:How AI-driven OT systems are reshaping today’s critical infrastructure threat landscapeWhy future failures may not come from hackers—but from AI-enabled automation that organizations can’t see or shut offThe hidden vulnerabilities created by interconnected sensors, ML models, and autonomous decision loopsHow organizations should rethink resilience, governance, and risk in an AI-powered worldMichael’s AIM Frame maturity model and how leaders can assess their readiness for AI incidentsPractical steps security and technology leaders should take now to map AI usage, increase visibility, and prepare for inevitable model drift or autonomous system failuresIf your organization relies on OT, automation, or AI-driven systems, this conversation is a must-listen wake-up call.It's 5 years since Reimagining Cyber began. Thanks to all of our loyal listeners!As featured on Million Podcasts' Best 100 Cybersecurity Podcasts Top 50 Chief Information Security Officer CISO Podcasts Top 70 Security Hacking Podcasts This list is the most comprehensive ranking of Cyber Security Podcasts online and we are honoured to feature amongst the best! Follow or subscribe to the show on your preferred podcast platform.Share the show with others in the cybersecurity world.Get in touch via [email protected]

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