Bec and Nat talk to Steve Patterson, Canadian stand-up and host of CBC's "The Debaters, about being a dad to two girls. He reads one of his favourite stories from his new book “Dad Up!” and chats about what it’s like to parent two young girls as an “old” dad.  They talk about forgiving themselves as parents and how mothers might be harder on themselves overall. Also, Steve shouts out his stellar wife Nancy and the mom she is. We love hearing from our listeners! Leave us a voice message, write to the show email, or send us a DM on any of our socials.If our conversations support you in your own reframing practice, please consider a donation on our Patreon, where you can also hear bonus episodes, or tipping us on Ko-fi. Subscribe to the Reframeables Newsletter. Follow us on TikTok, Twitter, Instagram, and YouTube too.

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