Things kick off with a dive on the hacker mindset, black swans, corner cases, and the exception that proves the rule. Whatever that means.

This leads to a side trip into security, troubleshooting, and the difference between non-linear thinking and untethered madness.

Finally, in a conversation both sprawling and comically on-brand, your hosts explore the concept of *properness*.

What does it mean to do something properly, when should it matter, and what are the risks and benefits of demanding that certain things always be done a certain way?

(_Recorded on Tuesday, May 17, 2022_)

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