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What happens when someone who grew up Jewish, gay, and atheist finds deep inspiration in the teachings of Jesus? In this fascinating conversation, Jonathan Rauch returns to the podcast to talk about his new book 'Cross-Purposes: Christianity’s Broken Bargain with Democracy'. Jonathan explains why the decline of organized religion has left a dangerous void in civic life—one now filled by hyper-partisan politics and fear-driven culture wars—and why he believes America needs a renewal of non-political Christianity rooted in courage, forgiveness, and love. We dive into his evolving relationship with faith, his hope for a less fearful, more compassionate citizenry, and the surprising ways music has shaped his worldview—including the life-changing moment he first heard Sgt. Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band in third grade. Jonathan is a Yale grad, senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, award-winning author, and one of the most thoughtful public intellectuals of our time.

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