In this episode, Nick and John interview military veteran, MMA fighter, and all-around athlete Norman Carreiro! Nick, John, and Norm discuss Norm's recent retirement, the controversial referee stoppage, their personal experiences with mental health challenges, and upcoming events in the NE Ohio MMA scene. Norm has had quite the highs and quite the lows, and during this discussion, he lets us in on the mentality that got him through it. Additionally, Norm offers some key insights and things to watch out for with your family and friends who may be experiencing mental health challenges.

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