Poet and spoken word artist Jason “Smiley” Abrams joins this episode to talk about his process of writing poetry, and how performing it transports him back into the emotional space that the poem responded to. Smiley shares how God met him through dark times in his life and how he got his name. Smiley also reflects on mentoring, the church, and campus ministry in the age of COVID. Smiley shares two of his poems from Curing the Midas Touch, and this episode includes excerpts from Smiley’s spoken word album 3:13 AM, including clips from WYD, Hopelessness Disease, Trust God Period, and Darkest Valley. We have show notes for you at profsinrooms.com and bonus material on Patreon! To donate to production costs, visit profsinrooms.com or become a patron. Resources from this episode: • Smiley’s Website • Smiley’s Spoken Word Album: 3:13 AM • Smiley’s book Curing the Midas Touch at Amazon or Bookshop.org • Find Smiley on: Facebook, Instagram, or Twitter • Andy Abrams Foundation • Special Resources on Patreon: ◦ Cut conversation Justin and Stephen had about politics (free) ◦ Stephen’s recent devotional message from a local youth group (free) ◦ Smiley talks about his

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