Joel Lawrence, Bonhoeffer scholar and Executive Director of the Center for Pastor Theologians, joins Justin and Stephen to discuss the life, theology, and ethics of Dietrich Bonhoeffer. Joel also talks about the difficulties and benefits of applying the lessons of 20th century Germany to the American context today. The discussion includes conversation Bonhoeffer’s time in the US, the African American influence on Bonhoeffer, and the illegal seminary at Finkenwalde. Justin, Stephen, and Joel discuss themes of confession (vs. accountability), morality, ethics, the church in a world come of age, Christian nationalism, power, and eschatology. They also consider the role of pastor theologians and the academy. Justin and Stephen also consider the theme of nostalgia as the holidays approach. We have show notes for you at profsinrooms.com and bonus material on Patreon! To donate to production costs, visit profsinrooms.com or become a patron. Resources from this episode: • Resources from Justin and Stephen’s conversation: ◦ Prof in Rooms guest (S2, E1) Michial Farmer on “The Uses of Nostalgia” ◦ Stephen’s post about “Feeling the Loss in Leaving” ◦ Stephen’s book Transitions Across Cultures on Bookshop or Amazon • Background podcasts and videos about Bonhoeffer and about Joel: ◦ Two podcasts episode Joel appeared on entitled “Dietrich Bonhoeffer's Pastoral Journey” ◦ Lecture (video) Joel gave entitled “Death Together: Dietrich Bonhoeffer on Becoming the Church for Others” ◦ Podcast about “Becoming a Pastor Theologian” • References from the conversation with Joel: ◦

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