What do you do when the people you lead hold competing values? Whether it's politics, sexuality, or the color of the sanctuary carpet, leaders are often stuck in the middle. They find themselves caught between people who love Jesus but can't see eye to eye.  In this episode, Jess and Jeff draw from real-life examples and Scripture to unpack how non-anxious leadership can change the tone of an entire community. You'll hear stories of the power of curiosity, and how laughter, shared meals, and guiding values can help us reconnect when division threatens to pull us apart. With wisdom, humor, and even an illustration from a Ted Lasso scene, they offer hopeful next steps for leaders facing division.   You'll hear: Why surface issues are rarely the real issues. How systems thinking can help leaders stay grounded when anxiety spikes. Why curiosity (not judgment) is the key to building connection in divided communities.   If you liked this episode, check out these resources:  The Darts Scene in Ted Lasso "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and freedom" (Viktor Frankl).  "Telling Stories in the Dark" by Jeffrey Munroe If you're interested in learning more about The Colossian Forum, visit our website colossianforum.org, and follow us on social media @colossianforum.

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