In this conversation, Luke Popham and Mat Popham delve into the complexities of masculinity, vulnerability, and personal growth. They explore the societal expectations of men as protectors and threats while also discussing the importance of emotional intelligence and self-reflection. The dialogue touches on the evolution of self, the role of humor in addressing serious topics, and the impact of bullying. Ultimately, they emphasize the need for men to balance strength with sensitivity and to be open to personal development.

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