We have an entertaining and wide-ranging discussion with prominent computer scientist and educator David Beazley, known for his many contributions to the Python community.  We talk about why programming is fun, and how he has created his memorable conference talks and innovative programming classes.  We also touch on music, theater, academic life, and, of course, Dave's No Doubt tribute band.Show Notes:https://www.dabeaz.com/Sans-IO  (https://sans-io.readthedocs.io/)Rust elevator origin story (https://www.technologyreview.com/2023/02/14/1067869/rust-worlds-fastest-growing-programming-language/)Book: "Understanding Software Dynamics", by Richard Sites. Addison-Wesley, 2022. "Critical Program Reading",   https://archive.org/details/youtube-7hdJQkn8rtASend us a text

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