Kathy Kolbe interviews international thought leader in K-12 education, Diane DeBacker. Together they explore leadership, obstinancy and conative truths.   00:00 Intro 00:50 Sneaky obstinance 02:35 Freedom to be yourself 03:53 My M.O. 06:00 Making a major change 09:30 Dealing with obstinance 11:00 Toughest problem I faced – Students with disabilities 13:15 Thank goodness you've arrived 14:48 Leadership through building teams 15:22 Bertrayed... 16:00 Don't give up on it 17:15 That one moment.... 18:54 Hiring by the eyes 20:50 Being a better boss 23:50 Having a child with different conative strengths 26:33 End

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