Over the last ten years, Shelli Johnson has hiked 26,000 miles—roughly one full trip around the Earth. Her extended time in the backcountry has given her a rare perspective on design. In this episode, we unpack a unique wilderness experience she’s created, called an “Epic”. Through the conversation, we come to know the wilderness as a platform for transformation.  Outside In is a podcast about the moments that change us. Join your hosts, Pavani Yalla and Joel Krieger, as they discover design in unexpected places. These conversations cover a kaleidoscope of experience — from wilderness treks to VR films, communal festivals to immersive theater. Each episode, they deconstruct an experience with its creator — together, revealing what makes it transformative. A fascinating exploration on the frontier of design for change, this series is for anyone who yearns to transform something about the reality they experience.

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