What if the key to solving poverty isn’t more programs—but better ones? In this episode of Neighbors in the Network, we sit down with Nic Dunn, Vice President of Strategy and Senior Fellow at the Sutherland Institute, to explore how Utah is becoming a national model for welfare reform that actually works. From addressing "benefits cliffs" to redefining the role of the safety net, Nic shares powerful insights, policy wins, and personal stories that challenge conventional thinking about poverty and upward mobility.Hosted by James Pinedo and Corey Burres, Neighbors in the Network is a podcast from the State Policy Network (SPN), where we highlight bold leaders, grassroots advocates, and policy changemakers working in communities across America. We go beyond theory and into practice—showcasing how real people are building lasting change from the ground up.This is Part 1 of our two-part conversation with Nic. In this episode, we focus on Utah’s innovative "One Door" model, the moral case for welfare reform, and how data-backed stories can inspire better policy outcomes. Whether you're a policymaker, community leader, or someone passionate about solving poverty in a more compassionate, sustainable way—this episode is for you.🔑 Key Points- Utah ranks #1 in upward mobility but still sees families struggling- Benefits cliffs discourage work and upward progress- Welfare should be a launchpad, not a long-term destination- Real families want independence, not indefinite assistance- Policy rooted in data, dignity, and opportunity can transform lives- SPN Affiliates like Sutherland Institute and Georgia Center for Opportunity are leading the charge nationally

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