Erick and Rich are joined by Kaseya Co-Founder and Vice Chairman Fred Voccola in his first interview since stepping down as CEO to discuss why he’s changed roles and what it means for Kaseya partners. That comes after your hosts talk about recent research suggesting there’s a huge latent co-managed IT opportunity for MSPs in cloud management and three tips for helping customers manage legacy systems. And finally, one last thing: “soup you can suck on.” Discussed in this episode:Rackspace The 2025 State of Cloud ReportProgresso launches Soup Drops, a hard candy that's 'soup you can suck on'

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