In today's episode, we spend time with Lisa Pay. When you sit down to chat with Lisa, you immediately feel like you are talking to an old friend who oozes graciousness and warmth. Lisa's wisdom and humor come from over 28 years of experience as a licensed clinical social worker and college professor. Lisa's work has taken her to a variety of different settings, from domestic violence shelters and prisons to hospitals and university counseling centers. So how does Lisa's professional role intersect with her role of mom? Listen to today's pod to find out! Lisa is the mom of two adult daughters, but spends time sharing about some fun and not-so-fun memories from when they were young.   See Lisa's professional bio at https://livestransforming.com/lisa-pay/.   Don't forget to subscribe, rate and review!

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