Complete show notes here. Big thanks to developers Tobias and Marcel for joining the interview. There will be a second part of the interview. Was tempted to write a silly title like Nextcloud Atomic Explodes. If you are curious on related presentations from the past:

NextcloudPi podcast interview by Nextcloud
NextcloudPi Lightning Talk 2022
How to Contribute Panel Discussion 2023
You Can Contribute to Open Source Lightning Talk 2023
How to Escape Bigtech Techlore Interview 2023

Who is in the Interview

Tobias is the developer of NextcloudPi, Atomic, and Nextcloud Secrets

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Marcel is the developer of Floccus, Nextcloud Bookmarks and Recognize.

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James is host of Linux Prepper Podcast. Contributor of documentaton and testing to Nextcloud, NextcloudPi, AIO, Floccus.

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(00:14)
Welcome to this Mini Episode + Lengthy Interview! Detailed shownotes on forum.
(01:44)
Nextcloud Conference 9/27 - 9/28 in Berlin
(01:56)
SeaGL Conference in Seattle, WA 11/07 - 11/08
(02:20)
Sponsor - Ameridroid - use LINUXPREPPER at checkout
(02:47)
Odroid H4, Plus, Ultra series
(03:43)
Nextcloud service overview and short review, also called Nextcloud Hub
(06:51)
NextcloudPi - Managed Nextcloud for Selfhosters
(08:04)
Nextcloud AIO or All-in-One is containerized by Nextcloud company proper in Docker
(08:45)
Nextcloud Snap
(09:06)
Floccus - Cross Platform Browser + Mobile App Syncing to Karakeep, Git, Google Drive, Nextcloud, etc.
(09:33)
Nextcloud Bookmarks app
(10:20)
Recognize AI app - Smart Media Tagging for Nextcloud
(10:56)
Nextcloud Atomic - System Level Wrapper for Nextcloud AIO in Podman. WIP
(12:20)
Prototype Fund - For Developers Contributing to Open Source
(14:31)
Interview Begins with Tobias Introduction
(15:43)
Hire Tobias Freelance!
(15:58)
Marcel Introduction - Listen to his previous episode interview on AI in Nextcloud
(18:18)
What is NextcloudPi? Not actually made for only the Raspberry Pi
(21:29)
How Tobias became involved in NextcloudPi project, then Atomic
(26:39)
Architecture and Efficiency of Maintenance
(29:21)
Starting as an early Nextcloud project and the rise of containers + AIO
(32:59)
Build system of NextcloudPi with Bash as opposed to containers
(35:55)
Development of Atomic through containers
(37:03)
Immutability - Fedora Silverblue, NixOS, Fedora CoreOS & iOT, openSuse MicroOS, etc.
(39:30)
SkiffOS - early contendor for Atomic. Embedded Linux Systems from Scratch
(41:02)
Updates and security in SkiffOS and Buildroot
(42:50)
mkosi by Systemd in combination with Debian & Armbian
(45:46)
Nextcloud Atomic upgrade process for developer
(51:23)
How major upgrades will be handled for users
(54:04)
Is Atomic upstreamed to AIO; use of Podman
(57:24)
Management of Nextcloud Apps within Nextcloud. Updates breaking apps.
(59:06)
Will I now be able to use imagick on the operating system by default?
(01:01:47)
Support for users making their own changes: Jellyfin, etc.
(01:05:55)
“Untested” Nextcloud update handling in Atomic
(01:09:38)
Who is the target audience of Atomic vs NCP?
(01:15:49)
The future of NextcloudPi
(01:18:30)
Conference Lightning Talk in Berlin for Atomic
(01:19:12)
Marcel thoughts on NextcloudPi and Atomic
(01:20:08)
What has Tobias learned from the last 6 or 7 years?
(01:23:34)
How James became involved with NextcloudPi, Discourse, and Nextcloud
(01:25:25)
Tobias on how the community contributes to the project
(01:27:00)
How to Contribute Panel at Nextcloud Conference 2023.
(01:28:00)
How can future contributors to Atomic help Tobias?
(01:32:40)
Ways to Contact, Hire or Learn more about Tobias & projects.
(01:33:37)
Ways to Contact or Learn more about Marcel & projects
(01:34:19)
Next episode will discuss fundraising, how they handle donations, other interests, life balance, containers
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Events

Nextcloud Conference 9/27 - 9/28
SeaGL Conference 11/7 - 11/8

Self-hosted Tools

Nextcloud - Biggest FOSS application in file sharing and online collaboration. Has grown from a dropbox alternative to a Google Suite alternative. Massive app store. Attempts to be a jack of all trades.
NextcloudPi - Managed image of Nextcloud for hands-off, single machine selfhosting.
Nextcloud All-in-One, or AIO. Containerized Nextcloud.
Nextcloud Atomic - Immutable system-level wrapping of AIO for hands-off, single machine selfhosting. Currently in active development only.

Roadmap



Nextcloud Apps, available within Nextcloud itself

Bookmarks app
Recognize app for local AI/ML media tagging for Nextcloud: recognizes faces, objects, landscapes, music genres

Hear previous episode interview on Recognize and use of AI in Nextcloud as an open source project.



Software Spotlight

Floccus - Cross-platform Firefox, Chrome, Vivaldi, Brave bookmarks sync for Nextcloud, Linkwarden, KaraKeep, Git, Google Drive or WebDAV server. Also offers dedicated mobile apps for iOS and Android.

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