Ep 4: Dystopias, Telepathic Whales & Chicago Pizza Secrets with Emily & Betsy

24/06/2025 1h 3min
Ep 4: Dystopias, Telepathic Whales & Chicago Pizza Secrets with Emily & Betsy

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Episode Synopsis

This week, Scott & Blake are joined by Betsy Tomszak of Books with Betsy & Chicago-based freelance arts & culture journalist Emily McClanathan. (Chicago is well-represented in this episode.)

Books discussed (buy them from our bookshop.org page):



I Who Have Never Known Men by Jacqueline Harpman (translated by Ros Schwartz) [Emily]


Stories are Weapons: Psychological Warfare and the American Mind by Annalee Newitz [Blake]


Say Hello to My Little Friend by Jennine Capó Crucet [Betsy]


All the Fighting Parts by Hannah V. Sawyerr [Scott]


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