I have a very clear memory of chasing Robin Rose down the hallway at college and asking her: "How can I be like you when I grow up?" I was fascinated with the way she invited people to step into learning through personal experience. Since most of my idea of learning involved lectures and assignments, this approach was refreshing and evocative. Discovering the power of learning through reflection on experience was a fundamental shift for me—and I never turned back. In this conversation, we discuss learning laboratories, the need for risk, and how leadership is, at its core, an art form.   Read an automated transcript of this episode.

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