In this episode of Leading Complexity, Tomas Björkholm and Michael Göthe listen to Marty Cagan, the renowned author of Inspired, Empowered, and Transformed. Marty dives into the challenge of complexity in modern organizations—how human nature often works against us and why over-reliance on processes can hinder innovation. Tomas and Michael break it down, highlight key takeaways, and share their own insights on dealing with architectural, organizational, and communication complexity.Join the conversation and explore how to lead in a complex world!Subscribe for more episodes and share your thoughts in the comments!

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