In this episode, Tony and Dom sit down with one of the most respected minds in the game—Heath the Ref. Known for his deep tactical knowledge of ADCC-style grappling, Heath shares what it takes to actually win at that level. From scoring nuances to strategic pacing, we dive into the details that separate hobbyists from champions.We also dig into Heath’s journey—from starting Jiu Jitsu during college at the University of Texas to becoming a full-time ref who’s traveled the world overseeing elite matches. It’s a real “talk shop” kind of episode for the grappling nerds, with insights for both competitors and coaches.Grab your notebook, because this one’s packed with gold.

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