We are talking about Race & the Nonprofit Leadership Gap with our very special guest and ReCity partner, Harvey Hinton of CAARE - The Healing Center in Durham. 0:00 Episode starts 0:44 Personal check-in1:18 Jes talks about seasons changing and something new2:59 Rob talks about change being the most productive right now3:38 Rob addresses how important it is to acknowledge how we can only take on the weight of so many people’s stories5:02 Introduces the topic of discussion, race and the leadership gap5:50 Rob introduces Dr. Harvey Hinton III of CAARE6:34 Rob introduces Dr. Hinton’s bio for background7:38 Rob asks about Harvey’s story and what led him to serve in his current role at CAARE7:58 Harvey talks about growing up in Durham and being taught by people from NCCU8:11 Harvey brings up the theme of community being foundational8:41 CAARE started by women who had hearts that wanted to make sure black people had access to healthcare9:51 Harvey credits CAARE’s success in using its location in Downtown Durham strategically as a sunshine ray of hope11:01 CAARE showed people how to maneuver in the nonprofit space to find opportunities to support yourself12:12 Racism is a public health issue12:31 CAARE stands for community action, advocacy, restoration, and empowerment12:54 The goal was not to discuss racism, the goal was being there as a black person to figure out how to make improvements13:27 Jes mentions the Doc Rivers quote about desiring to just be a basketball coach14:39 Jes brings up the article How White People Conquered the Nonprofit Industry16:38 Jes asks Harvey about this white-dominated nonprofit industry and how he has encountered it17:18 It’s not based on meritocracy18:12 If a white person would take true action, it would take career suicide19:58 Rob brings up the importance of digging up the root causes20:50 Are we going to prioritize true impact or are we going to prioritize self-preservation? What do we do when those two things do not go hand in hand?22:04 In the context of philanthropy, we need to stop trusting white people to solve black people’s problems25:11 What does it mean historically for white men to want to preserve their own places25:21 Have we learned to love our spaces in our boxes so much that we aren’t willing to live uncomfortably?26:01 America is denying its own reality of racism27:41 Jes asks about what advice would you give somebody to someone who wants to get involved in the white-dominated nonprofit sector?29:06 Link up with already existing organizations, don’t try to start from scratch30:07 We have to understand if we have a mission we believe in, we have to figure out how to capitalize on that30:49 Rob asks Harvey about where is hope come froms31:28 Harvey says that his hope comes from his two daughters and the idea that right now they don’t have opportunities34:17 Harvey recognizes that he isn’t someone who is able to sit on the sideline because he wants to be fighting35:43 What is the point of all of the effort36:39 Jes asks about what listeners can take away and what they can do as a next step46:51 Harvey encourages people to work where they are, starting with deep reflecting37:07 “I can’t wait to see white people work in white spaces”39:05 Harvey signs off conversation39:11 Jes shares her takeaways40:30 Rob shares his takeaways42:01 “A good white leader is a good white follower”42:25 What does it look like to step down and step back to allow a leader of color to...

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