For JIALIO’s first tri-national episode and first episode with more than one guest, Aaron and Ira are joined by former Chicagoans Tony Macaluso and his son Giulio from Chapel FM, the community radio station Tony runs in Leeds, UK. They discuss a road trip they took the previous summer exploring  places meant to offer alternatives to mainstream society in the American West, including the urban design project Arcosanti in Arizona, where Ira and Aaron have both lived.What unfolds is a quite nuanced, yet accessible, overview of Arcosanti, including some of the tensions and contradictions that have shaped and defined the project. These include the slowness of construction and what that has made possible, and the tension between the design of the project and the life lived inside of it.Ultimately, Tony, who has long worked with archives (including the archive of Studs Terkel’s radio show) remarks on the coexistence of Arcosanti with its own archive, which is housed onsite. Arcosanti is itself a document of its own making, and it contains all of the documentation of its design and construction, and still more designs for projects envisioned and unrealized. Documents within documents within a document, like Russian nesting dolls - archives all the way down.Arcosanti Original Arcosanti design from Arcology: City in the Image of Man (1969)Chapel FM (Leeds, UK)Music:“Open Up Your Heart” by Roger Miller (a song which features the show’s namesake lyric). arranged and recorded especially for JIALIO by 80 Foots, Chicago’s only End Times Vocal Trio.“Open Up Your Heart” by Buddy Killen + Roger MillerArranged and recorded by: 80 Foots (https://www.facebook.com/80FPM)

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