In this episode of the Inside OUT Podcast, Jojo is  joined once again by the incredible Dr. Victoria Grinman for a raw and reflective deep dive into what we’re calling The Presence Paradox — how slowing down can actually move your life forward.They unpack the messy, beautiful layers of personal growth, emotional intelligence, and spiritual realignment. From the power of presence over distraction to trusting the uncomfortable in-between, and explore what it really means to pause with purpose — and how that pause can generate deeper clarity, confidence, and connection.They also talk about:How fear shapes our choicesCreating space for alignmentRewiring patterns in love, life & businessDating without desperationAnd choosing presence as a path to abundanceThis one’s for the overthinkers, the overdoers, and the ones who are done muscling their way through life.Let’s get MESy — mentally, emotionally, and spiritually.Connect with Dr. V on instagram @drvictoriagrinman and learn more about her HERE Thank you for listening! Don't forget to follow along on social media @_insideout.podcast, rate and review. And Join the MESy Mailing List for exclusive content, insights on what is coming up and more!

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