Somewhere in the middle of this organic and wide-ranging conversation between two very close friends, Manhattan-based fashion designer and sustainability pioneer Mara Hoffman evokes “that joke of tricking ourselves into believing that some things are spiritual and some things aren’t.” The joke, of course, is that everything we touch and do and see is part of our being, our unfolding, our ripening: The money, and the money wounds. The ego, and the unity. The love, and the loneliness. The striving for success, and the folly of “success.” The all-in definition of the spiritual path describes this conversation, too. Of particular note is Mara’s deep connection to the notion of divine timing; that everything happens in the right season and in the right space.

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