Host Jamie McGoldrick speaks with Alex de Waal. He is the Executive Director of the World Peace Foundation and a research professor at the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy. He is, most recently, co-author of “Sudan’s Unfinished Democracy: The promise and betrayal of a people’s revolution” (Hurst 2022). Jamie asks him about the conflict in Sudan. Alex describes how the two sides grew into this conflict, and he explains how there’s been a failure of diplomacy. He emphasizes how the window to calm the violence is closing quickly. Jamie asks Alex what the potential outcomes are, and her gives honest answers on a difficult situation.

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