We recorded this podcast before the devastating fires exploded on the west coast. When we say living with fire, we do not mean living with the kind of fire we saw this week. Our thoughts are with everyone whose lost homes, favorite places or god forbid loved ones. As we live through these fires, I hope we can look towards a future where we have a more balanced relationship with fire. We've changed the name of the episode to good fire to reflect that there are (at least) two kinds of fire.The Nature Conservancy's Training Exchange Program  

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