Companies love to say they’re “learning organizations.”But when the pressure hits, training is the first to get cut—or worse, it's used to mask deeper failures in leadership, culture, and accountability.In this episode of Hero to Zero, host Ken Pearson sits down with David Dauman, CEO of Solutions House and longtime L&D advisor, to unpack how corporate training programs can become a performance illusion. What starts as a genuine effort to develop people often collapses into checkbox compliance, hollow slogans, and “launch in 30, measure in 2” metrics that never had a chance.Together, Ken and David explore:Why so many learning initiatives are designed to failThe difference between training that teaches vs. training that protects leadership opticsThe myth of self-directed learning—and what people actually need to growThe fading line between “development” and “damage control”Real stories from organizations that got it right—and those that faked it until trust was goneDavid introduces his framework of Compliant vs. Catalyst organizations:Compliant systems train people to "do no harm."Catalyst systems develop people to "do more good."You’ll also hear sharp metaphors, lived satire, and stories that blend humanity with strategic critique—from the gym to Hamburger University to operating rooms and construction sites. This is one of our most layered episodes yet.Whether you're in HR, executive leadership, or just tired of being “trained” without being supported—this episode will hit home.🔊 Subscribe and listen to Hero to Zero on your favorite platform:🎧 Apple Podcasts: [link]🎧 Spotify: [link]🌐 All platforms: https://linktr.ee/ShadeTreeConsultingFollow David Dauman🔗https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-s-dauman-a11bb8/Follow Ken Pearson and ShadeTree Consulting🔗 https://www.linkedin.com/in/pearsonken/🔗 https://shadetree-consulting.com/Hero to Zero: What happens when leadership efforts collapse—and how to rebuild better.🎙️ Thanks for listening to Hero to Zero — where the real stories of HR, leadership, and corporate life get told (finally). 📩 Got a wild workplace story? We want to hear it:[email protected] 🧠 New episodes drop monthly — subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. Because in HR... it only takes one email to go from hero to zero.

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