As the first phase of Trump's 20-point peace plan continues, how does it actually impact the people living in Gaza and Israel? In this special interview episode, hack speaks to two people on the ground about what a ceasefire means to them. In Gaza, we speak to Abeer Abou Mutlak an aid worker about the personal toll the war has had on her and how she plans to rebuild her life in Northern Gaza. And from Israel, we hear from Max Kresch. An IDF reservist who ended up refusing to serve during Israel's invasion of Gaza. Max has worked as an anti-war campaigner. He says there is still a lot of work to be done. In this episode hack asks Abeer and Max what they hope for the future in the Middle East.  Guests:Abeer Abou Mutlak, aid worker in GazaMax Kresch, Israeli reservist and anti-war campaignerGet the whole story from Hack:Follow us on InstagramSubscribe to the hack podcastListen on the triple j app or on your radio live every weeknight at 5:30pm

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