Civilisation is the system that feeds us, houses us, and keeps us safe. It seems to work well, but embedded in it is a deadly flaw.

There is no known system in nature that can expand indefinitely. Many economists live with the fantasy notion of curves on graphs that climb forever, while overlooking the drops on the other side. Somehow we've come to believe the bizarre assumption that resources are limitless. It's hard to know what we're going to do as cheap oil runs dry, because there's no obvious alternative.  Cheap oil is the foundation of just about everything.

Our guest today is Nicole Foss, who describes herself as a systems analyst. Of all human systems, there are none bigger than this. What are we to do?  Is it Big Green Stuff, or something more fundamental?

Along the way, we talk about nuclear power, permaculture, peak finance, and even chickens.

Nicole Foss is co-editor of The Automatic Earth

You might want to lookup Ponzi schemes which Nicole mentions a few times.

Interview by Rod

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