Ep 155 Anisa Rogers & Michaela from the Degrowth Network - Downsizing for perpetuity in a new world!

21/10/2024 59 min Temporada 10 Episodio 9
Ep 155 Anisa Rogers & Michaela from the Degrowth Network - Downsizing for perpetuity in a new world!

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SummaryIn a world dominated by a striving for endless growth, it can be hard to see that while a drive towards money and individualism is great for the economy, it is fundamentally destructive for humanity, community & ecology. This conversation tackles us relearning our ability to grow our environment with each other & to meet our own needs rather than outsourcing to those who will make the divisions based on profit. It asks us to opt for less transactions & more relationships, it addresses the epidemic of loneliness and it settles on the idea that a little bit of debt is a good thing - relational debt that is.The time to navigate difficult & complex divisions  to make us anti fragile is now but it requires us to heal our hurt hearts so we can do the work we need to do in our current system. Degrowth is the salve, held by love that is the container for our path forward as humanity.Links You'll LoveTools for Conviviality - Ivan IllichNational Degrowth NetworkThe Overstory - Richard PowersLoved this? Try these:Ep 125 Jane Hilliard - EnoughnessEp 120 Just CollapseEp 77 Tammi JonasSupport the ShowCasual Support - Buy Me A CoffeeRegular Support - PatreonBuy the Book - Futuresteading - Live Like tomorrow mattersWe talked about:Poverty is political Building action into your everyday existenceSeeking inspiration from socialist countriesBuilding an obsession with nature Composting as a gateway drug Evolving from being individuals to being change making huddlesMaking academic theories approachable & practicalFinding collective inspiration for criticising growthCreating coalitions of the unlikely by side stepping black & white Creating containers for people who are looking to connect despite the inevitable conflicts that will ariseWe need more spaces to hold respected disagreementsDespite relationships being thorny, we are going to have to work this out.The hardest skills of all are the soft skills of really working wth humans - meeting people with what they need to unpack the complexity Being part of groups where the hard stuff can be heldBuilding the ‘neighbourhood’ - learning the name of the person next door, even when they are different to youBeing materially dependent on one another is a good thingOur mobility has meant we are avoiding our ability to learn to manage conflict.Why cleverness is disarmingThe role of grief & gratitude in this journeySlow is smooth & smooth is fastInstead of air conditioners - lets have an afternoon napReturning us to our natural cycles & building our life around itSide stepping linear, capitalist striving.Connection to the earth is not lost on us - it’s in our ancestral knowledge, but we need to sit still, reskill & really want to relearn Learning to be comfortable with a lack of controlSupport the show

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