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Episode Synopsis
In the inaugural episode of the Future Perfect Book Club, Ron Bronson and Joel Goodman delve into Craig Gent's "Cyberboss: The Rise of Algorithmic Management and the New Struggle for Control at Work." They explore how algorithms are shaping the modern workplace, often in ways that diminish worker autonomy and dignity.
Ron and Joel discuss the increasing disintermediation of human interaction in favor of algorithmic control, citing examples from ride-sharing apps to Amazon distribution centers. They examine the book's anecdotes of workers experiencing isolation and a lack of communication, as well as the elevation of algorithms to a "godlike" status in organizational cultures.
The conversation touches on the allure of convenience that drives the adoption of these platforms, even in the face of known risks and ethical concerns. They dissect the implications of "just-in-time" logistics, the role of "subvisors" in the management structure, and the dehumanizing effects of algorithmic scheduling.
The hosts also analyze how these systems perpetuate capitalist structures and echo the principles of Taylorism, all while removing accountability and consolidating power at the top. While acknowledging the book's left-leaning perspective, Ron and Joel emphasize the importance of understanding these trends and finding ways to disrupt them. They also share some laughs along the way, despite the episode's heavy topic.
Chapters
00:00 Welcome to Future Perfect Book Club
01:16 Introducing "Cyberboss"
02:32 Synopsis: Algorithmic Management and Disintermediation
03:11 Anecdotes from the Book: Worker Experiences
06:15 Algorithms as gods
07:17 The Allure of Convenience Despite the Downsides
11:00 Trusting the System
14:24 Implications of Control Structures: Subvisors
16:50 Dehumanizing Worker Dignity
18:47 The App is the Boss
20:09 Compliance is built into the system
23:35 Capitalist Structures
25:37 A little bit about Taylorism
33:39 Wrapping up this book
38:44 Announcing the next book
Purchase Cyberboss: The Rise of Algorithmic Management and the New Struggle for Control at Work at Bookshop.org
Ron and Joel discuss the increasing disintermediation of human interaction in favor of algorithmic control, citing examples from ride-sharing apps to Amazon distribution centers. They examine the book's anecdotes of workers experiencing isolation and a lack of communication, as well as the elevation of algorithms to a "godlike" status in organizational cultures.
The conversation touches on the allure of convenience that drives the adoption of these platforms, even in the face of known risks and ethical concerns. They dissect the implications of "just-in-time" logistics, the role of "subvisors" in the management structure, and the dehumanizing effects of algorithmic scheduling.
The hosts also analyze how these systems perpetuate capitalist structures and echo the principles of Taylorism, all while removing accountability and consolidating power at the top. While acknowledging the book's left-leaning perspective, Ron and Joel emphasize the importance of understanding these trends and finding ways to disrupt them. They also share some laughs along the way, despite the episode's heavy topic.
Chapters
00:00 Welcome to Future Perfect Book Club
01:16 Introducing "Cyberboss"
02:32 Synopsis: Algorithmic Management and Disintermediation
03:11 Anecdotes from the Book: Worker Experiences
06:15 Algorithms as gods
07:17 The Allure of Convenience Despite the Downsides
11:00 Trusting the System
14:24 Implications of Control Structures: Subvisors
16:50 Dehumanizing Worker Dignity
18:47 The App is the Boss
20:09 Compliance is built into the system
23:35 Capitalist Structures
25:37 A little bit about Taylorism
33:39 Wrapping up this book
38:44 Announcing the next book
Purchase Cyberboss: The Rise of Algorithmic Management and the New Struggle for Control at Work at Bookshop.org
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