When it comes to work that celebrates the radical imagination, Jayna Brown's recent book Black Utopias: Speculative Life and the Music of Other Worlds is one of the most fascinating that I've read recently. Jayna is professor in the Graduate Program in Media Studies at Pratt Institute, and for this episode she is joined by Kevin Quashie, who teaches black cultural and literary studies and is a professor in the department of English at Brown University. Together they take us on a deep dive into our What If question for this week and into many areas of discussion. It was such an honour to be joined by Jayna and Kevin for this episode. I hope you enjoy it, and I'd love to hear your thoughts.

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