Send us a textIn this episode, Pastor Dowell sits down with Pastor Cornelius for a candid and insightful conversation about leadership maturity—why some ministers soar in their gift yet stall in their growth. Together, they explore what it truly means to move from crawling to flying by developing the first essential wing of leadership: wisdom.This isn’t about theory—it’s about real, applicable wisdom that helps leaders balance vision and timing, honor the houses they enter, and sustain the doors their anointing once opened.Through the vivid analogy of the caterpillar-to-butterfly journey, the discussion exposes how many gifted leaders struggle not because of lack of calling, but because of poor people skills or premature ambition. The conversation unpacks how the simple rhythm of adjust, appreciate, and advance can transform team culture and restore relational flow.Listeners will hear practical examples of how to navigate different rooms without losing authenticity, expand their leadership toolbox (“learn to dribble with both hands”), and discern moments when silence can build more influence than speaking. The episode also tackles the danger of copying visible success on social media while ignoring context, capacity, and credibility.From managing challenges “one bite at a time” to valuing relationships without becoming hostage to them, this dialogue offers actionable strategies for pastors, prophets, evangelists, teachers, and ministry leaders at every level.If your heart is ready to soar but your results feel stuck, this episode reveals why wisdom—not gifting—is often the missing wing.Pray for it. Pursue it. Position yourself around leaders who model it.Subscribe for more leadership-focused conversations, share this episode with a fellow minister who needs a lift, and leave a review to help others discover the show.Where do you need wisdom most right now?Support the showUnlock an array of valuable resources, including free tools, training, and essential resources authored, developed, and produced by me, Dr. Robert F. Dowell, the podcast host, to nourish your Five-Fold Ministry. Click the link below and start your journey to fuel your spiritual growth as a minister with my resources.https://linktr.ee/fivefold.brilliancecoach New Life Greatness Academy

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