Teena is joined by Esau McCaulley, PhD and John Onwuchekwa, DMin to talk about the narratives that shape our life and faith and the power of narrative in hospitality, business and theology. John shares his journey with Portrait coffee and then into his time curating conversations around grief and hope, connected with his book, We Go On. Esau opens up his story with Reading while Black and the shift into writing a much more personal narrative, How Far to the Promised Land. They also chat about their favorite coffee beans, Esau’s new church plant and the elusive nature of “success”.


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00:00 Introduction to the Series
01:24 Meet the Guests: Dr. Esau McCauley and John Onwuchekwa
06:32 John's Coffee Business Journey
13:56 The Impact of Narrative on Business
22:45 Esau's Journey and Reflections on Ministry
34:39 The Provocative Nature of the Book
35:02 Unexpected Success and Public Attention
35:37 Navigating Fame and Personal Boundaries
37:05 Embracing the Impact of 'Reading While Black'
38:38 Family Dynamics and Hometown Recognition
40:03 Intentional Church Leadership
45:02 The Role of Liturgy in Personal Faith
47:03 Diverse Church Experiences
51:46 Writing and Touring: The Emotional Toll
01:03:57 The Power of Storytelling and Grief
01:07:51 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

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