Welcome back to EUVC Live at Malmö, where we bring you unfiltered conversations with the voices shaping Europe’s venture ecosystem.In this episode, Rokas Pečiulaitis, Founder & Managing Partner at Contrarian Ventures, joins Andreas on stage to unpack one of the most fundamental questions in climate and deep tech: why the technology of today becomes the infrastructure of tomorrow.Rokas takes us from Rockefeller’s Standard Oil to today’s climate transition, explaining how every technological revolution ends in infrastructure and why venture capital must evolve to bridge the gap between innovation and deployment.From energy transitions and the rise of China’s solar dominance to why investors must learn to fund the “missing middle” between venture and project finance, Rokas lays out a vision for Europe’s climate future — and a roadmap for how to fund it.🎧 Here’s what’s covered:00:30 Standard Oil & the Tech-to-Infra ThesisHow Rockefeller’s oil refinement monopoly explains why technology success always ends in infrastructure dominance.03:00 From Fossil Fuels to ElectronsWhy the next 150 years of global growth will be powered by electrons — and why infrastructure, not IP, will capture the value.04:30 Bridging Venture and InfraWhy 80% of capital in climate tech will flow into infrastructure — and how founders and VCs must learn to speak both venture and project finance.05:10 Risk Discipline: Product or Market — Not BothRokas’ hard-learned rule for climate investing: if you take both technology and market risk, you end up “in the cemetery.”06:00 The Wedge StrategyHow to enter consolidated industries like pulp & paper or agriculture — solve one problem, give the solution away, and monetize through embedded transactions.07:40 Vertical Integration WinsFrom Amazon to climate tech: why owning the full stack from technology to infrastructure creates the real moat.09:00 From Rockefeller to GoogleWhy today’s tech giants mirror Standard Oil — accumulating monopoly power until the system forces a break-up.10:30 The Missing Middle in Climate CapitalWhy Europe doesn’t have a “growth gap,” but an “emerging infra gap” — and how to fill it with blended venture and project finance.13:00 China’s Lesson in ScaleHow China captured solar’s value by building, not inventing — and what Europe must learn about owning deployment.14:30 Long Cycles, Real ImpactWhy true infrastructure transitions take decades — and why those who get it right redefine economies and history itself.

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